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	<title>Comments on: Why is it so hard to fly the US flag right? Part IV</title>
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		<title>By: GWR</title>
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		<dc:creator>GWR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Google-ing the question - &quot;Why is the US flag so important&quot;.  You will find a good article in Wikipedia regarding the question.  good luck!&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5646&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@DIKE CHRISTOPHER&lt;/a&gt; -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Google-ing the question &#8211; &#8220;Why is the US flag so important&#8221;.  You will find a good article in Wikipedia regarding the question.  good luck!<a href='#comment-5646'>@DIKE CHRISTOPHER</a> -</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Hendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Hendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel---thank you for writing. 

The wording of the &lt;i&gt;Freedom to Display the American Flag Act&lt;/i&gt; offers a careful balance of &quot;rights.&quot;  You the homeowner absolutely have the right to fly the American flag on your property. That your HOA permits a real flagpole is rare---too many HOAs will not. On the other side is the HOA, which says, &quot;no lights on the pole.&quot; Many neighborhoods are trying to reduce light pollution so people can sleep better without unnecessary lights shining in the windows, and so they can sit in their yards and see the stars.

I personally don&#039;t think the lights on a flagpole would be so bright as to cause this problem, but the HOA has a hole card in the same Act: &lt;i&gt;(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.&lt;/i&gt; The HOA believes &quot;no lights&quot;on the flag pole is a reasonable restriction. You must also consider that a flag snapping in the breeze during the day is not a problem, but at night the sound could travel a long way.

Your choice is put up the flag each morning, and take it down at night. Or you might consider a smaller pole, such as a diagonally mounted pole on your porch. Unless the HOA forbids you to burn your porch light all night long, you can display the flag 24 hours a day, and illuminate it too.

If you light your tall flagpole, and end up in arbitration, I believe the HOA would win. I know this is not what you hoped to hear, but you do have some options. Please let me know how this works out for you.

Best Wishes, Deborah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel&#8212;thank you for writing. </p>
<p>The wording of the <i>Freedom to Display the American Flag Act</i> offers a careful balance of &#8220;rights.&#8221;  You the homeowner absolutely have the right to fly the American flag on your property. That your HOA permits a real flagpole is rare&#8212;too many HOAs will not. On the other side is the HOA, which says, &#8220;no lights on the pole.&#8221; Many neighborhoods are trying to reduce light pollution so people can sleep better without unnecessary lights shining in the windows, and so they can sit in their yards and see the stars.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think the lights on a flagpole would be so bright as to cause this problem, but the HOA has a hole card in the same Act: <i>(2) any reasonable restriction pertaining to the time, place, or manner of displaying the flag of the United States necessary to protect a substantial interest of the condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association.</i> The HOA believes &#8220;no lights&#8221;on the flag pole is a reasonable restriction. You must also consider that a flag snapping in the breeze during the day is not a problem, but at night the sound could travel a long way.</p>
<p>Your choice is put up the flag each morning, and take it down at night. Or you might consider a smaller pole, such as a diagonally mounted pole on your porch. Unless the HOA forbids you to burn your porch light all night long, you can display the flag 24 hours a day, and illuminate it too.</p>
<p>If you light your tall flagpole, and end up in arbitration, I believe the HOA would win. I know this is not what you hoped to hear, but you do have some options. Please let me know how this works out for you.</p>
<p>Best Wishes, Deborah</p>
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		<title>By: SSgt Daniel Hallex</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSgt Daniel Hallex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently having the exact opposite problem that Ms. Cooley is/was having. I would like to have a 24-hour American Flag displayed in my front yard, and looking at my HOA guidlines, I (amazingly) only have one standard that&#039;s going to be an issue. The guidlines very specifically state that &quot;No illumination of the flagpole shall be permitted.&quot; Granted, however, this regulation is designed for flags in general, not just the American Flag. But my question is this; would this guideline be considered an &quot;unreasonable restriction&quot; under the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act, or am I going to have to resort to something a little less honorable, like hoisting the flag anyways without the HOA&#039;s cooperation? Any reply would be greatly appreciated.

Very Respectfully,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently having the exact opposite problem that Ms. Cooley is/was having. I would like to have a 24-hour American Flag displayed in my front yard, and looking at my HOA guidlines, I (amazingly) only have one standard that&#8217;s going to be an issue. The guidlines very specifically state that &#8220;No illumination of the flagpole shall be permitted.&#8221; Granted, however, this regulation is designed for flags in general, not just the American Flag. But my question is this; would this guideline be considered an &#8220;unreasonable restriction&#8221; under the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act, or am I going to have to resort to something a little less honorable, like hoisting the flag anyways without the HOA&#8217;s cooperation? Any reply would be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>Very Respectfully,<br />
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Hendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Hendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Christopher: I&#039;m sorry that I didn&#039;t see your question earlier---I was out of town overnight.  We at The Daily Flag have been writing for 18 months about the flag. You can back up all the way to the beginning in January 2007, or you can look at categories of articles as a place to begin. I also recommend the book Flag, by Marc Leepson. You can check it out from the library or buy your own copy. It&#039;s an excellent overview of our American flag.  

I cannot speak for other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Christopher: I&#8217;m sorry that I didn&#8217;t see your question earlier&#8212;I was out of town overnight.  We at The Daily Flag have been writing for 18 months about the flag. You can back up all the way to the beginning in January 2007, or you can look at categories of articles as a place to begin. I also recommend the book Flag, by Marc Leepson. You can check it out from the library or buy your own copy. It&#8217;s an excellent overview of our American flag.  </p>
<p>I cannot speak for other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: DIKE CHRISTOPHER</title>
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		<dc:creator>DIKE CHRISTOPHER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pls,help me to write a good needs why flag is so important to a country and it is reason and protection guarding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pls,help me to write a good needs why flag is so important to a country and it is reason and protection guarding it.</p>
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		<title>By: June 14 - Flag Day &#171; Millard Fillmore&#8217;s Bathtub</title>
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		<dc:creator>June 14 - Flag Day &#171; Millard Fillmore&#8217;s Bathtub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Painting by Norman Rockwell, Scout saluting the flag. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Larry Hendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Hendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, I don&#039;t guess I&#039;ve witnesses this dissension from military guys on the Scout flag, but I have read a few that didn&#039;t like the fact of the patch above the U.S. flag. In fact, the last time I read someone writing about it, they had refused to put the battle patch on, not wanting to dishonor the American flag. 

Deborah has found all the Military Flag Codes online for the different branches, but we haven&#039;t had time to dissect them to see what they address, other than the obvious. The Navy (as one would guess) is the longest and most complicated, what with port calls in foreign countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I don&#8217;t guess I&#8217;ve witnesses this dissension from military guys on the Scout flag, but I have read a few that didn&#8217;t like the fact of the patch above the U.S. flag. In fact, the last time I read someone writing about it, they had refused to put the battle patch on, not wanting to dishonor the American flag. </p>
<p>Deborah has found all the Military Flag Codes online for the different branches, but we haven&#8217;t had time to dissect them to see what they address, other than the obvious. The Navy (as one would guess) is the longest and most complicated, what with port calls in foreign countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Goodwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you put a picture of a Boy Scout on this page, it brings to mind a controversy that flares up every year or so on the various Scouting lists to which I subscribe, and that&#039;s the age-old question: &quot;Why do Scout uniforms have the flag pointing the wrong way?&quot; (or variations on that idea).

Invariably, the questioner has some military background and judges the Scout uniform is &quot;wrong&quot; because the military uniform has the flag on the right shoulder with the canton on the viewer&#039;s right, so it appears to be trailing in the breeze as the wearer walks forward.  The BSA way, they say, shows the flag in retreat.

In my view, there are a couple of things wrong with this idea: first, the BSA is not the Army, so there&#039;s no reason to believe Army uniforming rules should apply to BSA.  Second, the Army&#039;s own regulations provide that a battle patch may be worn ABOVE the flag patch on the right shoulder.  If the Army wants to treat the patch as a flag, I wonder how they came up with THAT one?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you put a picture of a Boy Scout on this page, it brings to mind a controversy that flares up every year or so on the various Scouting lists to which I subscribe, and that&#8217;s the age-old question: &#8220;Why do Scout uniforms have the flag pointing the wrong way?&#8221; (or variations on that idea).</p>
<p>Invariably, the questioner has some military background and judges the Scout uniform is &#8220;wrong&#8221; because the military uniform has the flag on the right shoulder with the canton on the viewer&#8217;s right, so it appears to be trailing in the breeze as the wearer walks forward.  The BSA way, they say, shows the flag in retreat.</p>
<p>In my view, there are a couple of things wrong with this idea: first, the BSA is not the Army, so there&#8217;s no reason to believe Army uniforming rules should apply to BSA.  Second, the Army&#8217;s own regulations provide that a battle patch may be worn ABOVE the flag patch on the right shoulder.  If the Army wants to treat the patch as a flag, I wonder how they came up with THAT one?!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Hendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Hendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gail, I understand your frustration with this issue. I have bemoaned the lack of respect given the U.S. flag for some time. In fact, several times I have written on the topic of honor where it concerns the laws governing etiquette and our flag. For more on that, you can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/11/09/a-country-of-honor/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/01/22/why-is-it-so-hard-to-fly-the-us-flag-right-part-i/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While the U.S. Flag Code is law, just like the IRS Code, it lacks any enforcement branch within the government. Some states and cities have tried to pass laws for enforcement, but most have been legally challenged and found unconstitutional.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as your specific problem, has anyone talked to the man for his side? Is he opposed to adhering to the U.S. Flag Code as a sign of protest? Does he not have the resources or knowledge to light his flag? Is there a money issue? Maybe he just needs some help. Each of these would require a different approach to solve, but might shed some light on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ultimately, the HOA has no legal grounds to force compliance with the U.S. Flag Code. It is completely voluntary since 1942, when Congress &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/brief-history-of-the-united-states-flag-code/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;passed the current law&lt;/a&gt;, removing the power from the states to address this matter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail, I understand your frustration with this issue. I have bemoaned the lack of respect given the U.S. flag for some time. In fact, several times I have written on the topic of honor where it concerns the laws governing etiquette and our flag. For more on that, you can read <a href="http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/11/09/a-country-of-honor/" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/01/22/why-is-it-so-hard-to-fly-the-us-flag-right-part-i/" target="_blank">here</a>. </p>
<p>While the U.S. Flag Code is law, just like the IRS Code, it lacks any enforcement branch within the government. Some states and cities have tried to pass laws for enforcement, but most have been legally challenged and found unconstitutional.</p>
<p>As far as your specific problem, has anyone talked to the man for his side? Is he opposed to adhering to the U.S. Flag Code as a sign of protest? Does he not have the resources or knowledge to light his flag? Is there a money issue? Maybe he just needs some help. Each of these would require a different approach to solve, but might shed some light on the issue.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the HOA has no legal grounds to force compliance with the U.S. Flag Code. It is completely voluntary since 1942, when Congress <a href="http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/brief-history-of-the-united-states-flag-code/" target="_blank">passed the current law</a>, removing the power from the states to address this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail Cooley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail Cooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a new member of the Board of Directors for my homeowner&#039;s association.  It was brought to our attention that one of our homeowners is flying a flag 24 hours a day and not illuminating it at night.  When our management company sent the homeowner a very tactful letter asking him to comply with the flag code, he marked a gigantic &quot;N/A&quot; on the page and sent it back to the management company.  Now what?  From what I am reading there is nothing we can do to force this homeowner to either illuminate the flag or take it down.  It is strictly a voluntary matter.  

It seems strange that we have laws (or codes) regarding the care of our flag and yet we cannot enforce them!  

Do you or any of your employees have any suggestions as to how we can handle this situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a new member of the Board of Directors for my homeowner&#8217;s association.  It was brought to our attention that one of our homeowners is flying a flag 24 hours a day and not illuminating it at night.  When our management company sent the homeowner a very tactful letter asking him to comply with the flag code, he marked a gigantic &#8220;N/A&#8221; on the page and sent it back to the management company.  Now what?  From what I am reading there is nothing we can do to force this homeowner to either illuminate the flag or take it down.  It is strictly a voluntary matter.  </p>
<p>It seems strange that we have laws (or codes) regarding the care of our flag and yet we cannot enforce them!  </p>
<p>Do you or any of your employees have any suggestions as to how we can handle this situation?</p>
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