Comments for The Daily Flag http://www.flagsbay.com/flag Your online source for flag news and information! Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:10:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 Comment on Does Oregon need a new state flag? by Deborah Hendrick http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/10/20/does-oregon-need-a-new-state-flag/#comment-14947 Deborah Hendrick Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:09:03 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2970#comment-14947 John, you really are excited about the idea of a new flag for Oregon! And it's terrific that your son got involved too. I'm excited too, and look forward to viewing the entries---I'm assuming that the Oregonian will put them up on the internet. Sorry about the ticket, but what a great story you'll have if one of your designs is chosen (it's a good story now). Lots of flag nuts belong to NAVA---North American Vexillological Association. Check it out at http://www.nava.org/index.php<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14947','Deborah Hendrick'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14947','Deborah Hendrick','John, you really are excited about the idea of a new flag for Oregon! And it\'s terrific that your son got involved too. I\'m excited too, and look forward to viewing the entries---I\'m assuming that the Oregonian will put them up on the internet. Sorry about the ticket, but what a great story you\'ll have if one of your designs is chosen (it\'s a good story now).\r\n\r\nLots of flag nuts belong to NAVA---North American Vexillological Association. Check it out at http:\/\/www.nava.org\/index.php'); return false;">Quote</a></div> John, you really are excited about the idea of a new flag for Oregon! And it’s terrific that your son got involved too. I’m excited too, and look forward to viewing the entries—I’m assuming that the Oregonian will put them up on the internet. Sorry about the ticket, but what a great story you’ll have if one of your designs is chosen (it’s a good story now).

Lots of flag nuts belong to NAVA—North American Vexillological Association. Check it out at http://www.nava.org/index.php

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]]> Comment on Does Oregon need a new state flag? by John Mothershead http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/10/20/does-oregon-need-a-new-state-flag/#comment-14946 John Mothershead Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:01:41 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2970#comment-14946 As a (very) amateur flag nut, I was very excited when the Oregonian floated this idea. Managed to create and submit almost a dozen designs, and my twelve year old submitted one also. (Cost me $145 though. Robocop zapped me with his photoradar as I hurried to get the submissions in by the deadline. Doh!) I'm eager to see what my fellow citizens have come up with. If this flies, (this is Oregon, mind you: legal to kill yourself but illegal to pump your own gas) this should be pretty interesting to the vexillogical community.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14946','John Mothershead'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14946','John Mothershead','As a (very) amateur flag nut, I was very excited when the Oregonian floated this idea. Managed to create and submit almost a dozen designs, and my twelve year old submitted one also. (Cost me $145 though. Robocop zapped me with his photoradar as I hurried to get the submissions in by the deadline. Doh!) I\'m eager to see what my fellow citizens have come up with. \r\nIf this flies, (this is Oregon, mind you: legal to kill yourself but illegal to pump your own gas) this should be pretty interesting to the vexillogical community.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> As a (very) amateur flag nut, I was very excited when the Oregonian floated this idea. Managed to create and submit almost a dozen designs, and my twelve year old submitted one also. (Cost me $145 though. Robocop zapped me with his photoradar as I hurried to get the submissions in by the deadline. Doh!) I’m eager to see what my fellow citizens have come up with.
If this flies, (this is Oregon, mind you: legal to kill yourself but illegal to pump your own gas) this should be pretty interesting to the vexillogical community.
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]]> Comment on Veterans salute the flag—clarifying the change in the U.S. Code by Brian Trueblood http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/10/20/veterans-salute-the-flag-clarifying-the-change-in-the-us-code/#comment-14930 Brian Trueblood Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:32:25 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2977#comment-14930 <a href='#comment-14517' rel="nofollow">@RADM John Bepko</a> - RADM Bepko, I am a former Army officer. So former, I can't even remember some of the rules. I am going to a pro basketball game tonight, which is onbviosly indoors. I am interested in your opinion. Is a salute appropriate indoors? Thank you, sir.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14930','Brian Trueblood'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14930','Brian Trueblood','<a href=\'#comment-14517\' rel=\"nofollow\">@RADM John Bepko<\/a> - RADM Bepko, I am a former Army officer. So former, I can\'t even remember some of the rules. I am going to a pro basketball game tonight, which is onbviosly indoors. I am interested in your opinion. Is a salute appropriate indoors? \r\n\r\nThank you, sir.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @RADM John Bepko - RADM Bepko, I am a former Army officer. So former, I can’t even remember some of the rules. I am going to a pro basketball game tonight, which is onbviosly indoors. I am interested in your opinion. Is a salute appropriate indoors?

Thank you, sir.

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]]> Comment on Protocol questions—Parades, the Pledge, and the National Anthem by Deborah Hendrick http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/07/16/protocol-questions-parades-the-pledge-and-the-national-anthem/#comment-14916 Deborah Hendrick Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:36:49 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2194#comment-14916 Dear Mr. Coats, I consulted (Document) 5360.1-1, titled "State, Official and Special Military Funerals," which is prepared for the Departments of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Treasury (acknowledging of course, that the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Coast Guard follow U.S. Navy guidelines). This document outlines in exacting detail how to conduct these kinds of funerals. I also looked at the standard documents for the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Army for more reference. There are no instructions in any of these documents that call for members of the color guard to salute the coffin as it passes by. I find no instructions in the U.S. Flag Code for the color guard to salute when the coffin is carried abreast of their position. Lacking other reference material that would contradict this information, it would appear that the flag bearers do not salute. Thank you for writing and Best Wishes, Deborah<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14916','Deborah Hendrick'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14916','Deborah Hendrick','Dear Mr. Coats,\r\nI consulted (Document) 5360.1-1, titled \"State, Official and Special Military Funerals,\" which is prepared for the Departments of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Treasury (acknowledging of course, that the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Coast Guard follow U.S. Navy guidelines). This document outlines in exacting detail how to conduct these kinds of funerals. I also looked at the standard documents for the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Army for more reference. \r\nThere are no instructions in any of these documents that call for members of the color guard to salute the coffin as it passes by. I find no instructions in the U.S. Flag Code for the color guard to salute when the coffin is carried abreast of their position. Lacking other reference material that would contradict this information, it would appear that the flag bearers do not salute.\r\nThank you for writing and Best Wishes, Deborah'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dear Mr. Coats,
I consulted (Document) 5360.1-1, titled “State, Official and Special Military Funerals,” which is prepared for the Departments of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Treasury (acknowledging of course, that the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Coast Guard follow U.S. Navy guidelines). This document outlines in exacting detail how to conduct these kinds of funerals. I also looked at the standard documents for the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Army for more reference.
There are no instructions in any of these documents that call for members of the color guard to salute the coffin as it passes by. I find no instructions in the U.S. Flag Code for the color guard to salute when the coffin is carried abreast of their position. Lacking other reference material that would contradict this information, it would appear that the flag bearers do not salute.
Thank you for writing and Best Wishes, Deborah
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]]> Comment on Protocol questions—Parades, the Pledge, and the National Anthem by CL Coats http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/07/16/protocol-questions-parades-the-pledge-and-the-national-anthem/#comment-14913 CL Coats Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:18:31 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2194#comment-14913 What is the proper proceedure. You are in a US flag line @ a funeral for a vetern. As the coffin passes, some will put the flag in their left hand and salute with their right to the bill of their cap. Others will salute with their left hand across the body to the staff of the flag. Other say you can not salute when carrying the flag. I would like to know if there is proceedure for saluting while carrying the flag and what is it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14913','CL Coats'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14913','CL Coats','What is the proper proceedure. You are in a US flag line @ a funeral for a vetern. As the coffin passes, some will put the flag in their left hand and salute with their right to the bill of their cap. Others will salute with their left hand across the body to the staff of the flag. Other say you can not salute when carrying the flag. I would like to know if there is proceedure for saluting while carrying the flag and what is it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> What is the proper proceedure. You are in a US flag line @ a funeral for a vetern. As the coffin passes, some will put the flag in their left hand and salute with their right to the bill of their cap. Others will salute with their left hand across the body to the staff of the flag. Other say you can not salute when carrying the flag. I would like to know if there is proceedure for saluting while carrying the flag and what is it.
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]]> Comment on Veterans salute the flag—clarifying the change in the U.S. Code by Mike Goodrich http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2008/10/20/veterans-salute-the-flag-clarifying-the-change-in-the-us-code/#comment-14889 Mike Goodrich Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:45:47 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?p=2977#comment-14889 Though I served in the 24 years in the Air Force and not the Navy, I would take the advice of a two-star (RADM) over almost any civilian and many others also. As one post says, "I am grateful for the clarification." MSgt Goodrich, USAF, Ret.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14889','Mike Goodrich'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14889','Mike Goodrich','Though I served in the 24 years in the Air Force and not the Navy, I would take the advice of a two-star (RADM) over almost any civilian and many others also.\r\nAs one post says, \"I am grateful for the clarification.\"\r\nMSgt Goodrich, USAF, Ret.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Though I served in the 24 years in the Air Force and not the Navy, I would take the advice of a two-star (RADM) over almost any civilian and many others also.
As one post says, “I am grateful for the clarification.”
MSgt Goodrich, USAF, Ret.
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]]> Comment on Protocol for the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance by Deborah Hendrick http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/02/13/protocol-for-the-national-anthem-and-pledge-of-allegiance/#comment-14888 Deborah Hendrick Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:15:06 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/02/13/protocol-for-the-national-anthem-and-pledge-of-allegiance/#comment-14888 Hello Philip, I apologize for being so tardy in responding to your questions. When the National Anthem is part of work of fiction, then no one is expected to stand and salute. But the National Anthem is a stand-alone song, and not to be combined with other songs in a medley. If it were part of a concert, I would think it would be at the beginning, and clearly announced so the people in attendance could stand and salute, and not be surprised to suddenly hear the melody. When the National Anthem is sung by a soloist, you should not sing, unless you sang very quietly to yourself, which would not be impolite I think. Quite frankly, some soloists take such horrible liberties with the melody line, I don't know how one could possibly sing along with them anyway. (I confess---I take a dim view of personalized renditions of the National Anthem.) If the National Anthem is performed by an orchestra or band, and there is not a soloist or group invited to sing the words, then I believe the presumption is that the entire gathered assembly is invited to sing.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14888','Deborah Hendrick'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14888','Deborah Hendrick','Hello Philip,\r\nI apologize for being so tardy in responding to your questions. When the National Anthem is part of work of fiction, then no one is expected to stand and salute. But the National Anthem is a stand-alone song, and not to be combined with other songs in a medley. If it were part of a concert, I would think it would be at the beginning, and clearly announced so the people in attendance could stand and salute, and not be surprised to suddenly hear the melody.\r\n\r\nWhen the National Anthem is sung by a soloist, you should not sing, unless you sang very quietly to yourself, which would not be impolite I think. Quite frankly, some soloists take such horrible liberties with the melody line, I don\'t know how one could possibly sing along with them anyway. (I confess---I take a dim view of personalized renditions of the National Anthem.) \r\n\r\nIf the National Anthem is performed by an orchestra or band, and there is not a soloist or group invited to sing the words, then I believe the presumption is that the entire gathered assembly is invited to sing.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hello Philip,
I apologize for being so tardy in responding to your questions. When the National Anthem is part of work of fiction, then no one is expected to stand and salute. But the National Anthem is a stand-alone song, and not to be combined with other songs in a medley. If it were part of a concert, I would think it would be at the beginning, and clearly announced so the people in attendance could stand and salute, and not be surprised to suddenly hear the melody.

When the National Anthem is sung by a soloist, you should not sing, unless you sang very quietly to yourself, which would not be impolite I think. Quite frankly, some soloists take such horrible liberties with the melody line, I don’t know how one could possibly sing along with them anyway. (I confess—I take a dim view of personalized renditions of the National Anthem.)

If the National Anthem is performed by an orchestra or band, and there is not a soloist or group invited to sing the words, then I believe the presumption is that the entire gathered assembly is invited to sing.

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]]> Comment on Military Flag Manuals by Deborah Hendrick http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/military-flag-manuals/#comment-14870 Deborah Hendrick Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:23:52 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?page_id=2637#comment-14870 Thank you for writing Rohit. I don't know anything about international flag communications, so this is not a question I can answer for you. Best Wishes, Deborah Hendrick<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14870','Deborah Hendrick'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14870','Deborah Hendrick','Thank you for writing Rohit. \r\nI don\'t know anything about international flag communications, so this is not a question I can answer for you. Best Wishes, Deborah Hendrick'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thank you for writing Rohit.
I don’t know anything about international flag communications, so this is not a question I can answer for you. Best Wishes, Deborah Hendrick
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]]> Comment on Military Flag Manuals by rohit http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/military-flag-manuals/#comment-14869 rohit Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:52:50 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/?page_id=2637#comment-14869 what is the international flag hoist for."am exercising with dived submarines in area"<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14869','rohit'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14869','rohit','what is the international flag hoist for.\"am exercising with dived submarines in area\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> what is the international flag hoist for.”am exercising with dived submarines in area”
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]]> Comment on Protocol for the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance by Philip Carlson http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/02/13/protocol-for-the-national-anthem-and-pledge-of-allegiance/#comment-14760 Philip Carlson Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:45:10 +0000 http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/2007/02/13/protocol-for-the-national-anthem-and-pledge-of-allegiance/#comment-14760 One earlier comment made me wonder if it is always appropriate to sing along. Are there situations when it is NOT appropriate to sing along? (I'd thought it an insult to a performer when others have sung along.) Why would instumental versions demand the same protocol as a sung version? It seems to me that context should be taken into consideration when no words are included. What about when the anthem is a part of another work (like a movie, television, or radio production or a concert).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14760','Philip Carlson'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14760','Philip Carlson','One earlier comment made me wonder if it is always appropriate to sing along. Are there situations when it is NOT appropriate to sing along? (I\'d thought it an insult to a performer when others have sung along.)\r\n\r\nWhy would instumental versions demand the same protocol as a sung version? It seems to me that context should be taken into consideration when no words are included. \r\n\r\nWhat about when the anthem is a part of another work (like a movie, television, or radio production or a concert).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> One earlier comment made me wonder if it is always appropriate to sing along. Are there situations when it is NOT appropriate to sing along? (I’d thought it an insult to a performer when others have sung along.)

Why would instumental versions demand the same protocol as a sung version? It seems to me that context should be taken into consideration when no words are included.

What about when the anthem is a part of another work (like a movie, television, or radio production or a concert).

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